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Valve Clearance Check - 1979 KZ1300 7 months 2 weeks ago #31077

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2023-02-04 Continuing with Valve CheckPlugs are looking better. I see signs of running rich, but less oil traces than before. This after a 200 mile ride.
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Off to checking valve clearances. 'T' mark at case mark, exhaust cam dot at valve head plane.
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    [img]https://candybuttorg.ipage.com/pix/motobikes/wrenching/KZ1300/motobikes/wrenching/KZ1300/2023-02-04 KZ1300 Valve Check/3.jpg[/img] Cam lobes look shiny and good.
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Finally found a good use for old workplace name badge!
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Removing old gasket material...
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Cleaning up the rubber plug was a true PITA.
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I don't trust this one to seal. I have spare new ones.. But right now the wires are soldered. I plan to put a high quality waterproof connector with soldered wire/terminals... later.
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Checked the crank for endplay <possible clunking sound?), it is tight.
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Found a slight leak at temp sensor.. could this be the 'leak' at LHS cylinder 1 base gasket? Hmmm.
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Raw valve data.
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What FSM looks like after 44 years of use!
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Valve Clearance Check - 1979 KZ1300 7 months 2 weeks ago #31078

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The manual only gives the valve clearance range of acceptability. If you are going to adjust the valves, try to adjust them to the highest clearance i.e. .15mm for the intake and .25mm for the exhaust. The biggest mistake most people make is adjusting to the tightest tolerance and then they wonder why they found tight valves and possibly burnt valves on the next valve clearance check. The reasoning behind this is that as the valve wear, they lose material from the valve seat face and the valve face due to erosion which causes the valve clearance to tighten up. I really wish the Service Manual was more clear on this point. They never tell you when repairing/replacing to return some aspect back to "as new" exactly what the ideal spec should be. This is where understanding basic fundamentals is essential if you're going to do your own maintenance. To be honest, even when i was being trained as an auto mechanic, this was never explained. it's only since working with engineers that I became more aware of the engineering aspects of mechanical equipment which has brought my understanding to a higher plain.
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The manual only gives the valve clearance range of acceptability. If you are going to adjust the valves, try to adjust them to the highest clearance i.e. .15mm for the intake and .25mm for the exhaust. The biggest mistake most people make is adjusting to the tightest tolerance and then they wonder why they found tight valves and possibly burnt valves on the next valve clearance check. The reasoning behind this is that as the valve wear, they lose material from the valve seat face and the valve face due to erosion which causes the valve clearance to tighten up. I really wish the Service Manual was more clear on this point. They never tell you when repairing/replacing to return some aspect back to "as new" exactly what the ideal spec should be. This is where understanding basic fundamentals is essential if you're going to do your own maintenance. To be honest, even when i was being trained as an auto mechanic, this was never explained. it's only since working with engineers that I became more aware of the engineering aspects of mechanical equipment which has brought my understanding to a higher plain.
Yep. Across all my 'modern' engines, valves only tighten with time. As I read your comment, I have Libre Office spreadsheet open building a KZ valve adjustment calculator. I used 70% clearance as nominal just to allow a little tolerance on the + side... 

Thinking a bit, yes, be scared, me trying to think... If a feller had an engine that tends to run 'hot' perhaps it would be best to set exhaust at max clearance to allow maximum exhaust flow resulting in minimum head temps?

..and of course, 20 years later can't find my shim stack pile and shim tools. Sigh.

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Valve Clearance Check - 1979 KZ1300 7 months 2 weeks ago #31080

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’If a feller had an engine that tends to run 'hot' perhaps it would be best to set exhaust at max clearance to allow maximum exhaust flow resulting in minimum head temps?’

I don’t think that stacks up, actually.

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Valve Clearance Check - 1979 KZ1300 7 months 2 weeks ago #31081

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If a feller had an engine that tends to run 'hot' perhaps it would be best to set exhaust at max clearance to allow maximum exhaust flow resulting in minimum head temps?

 
Ideally, it's the valves you want to stay as cool as possible so, setting the clearance to the looser end of the range will keep the valves on their seats longer.
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Valve Clearance Check - 1979 KZ1300 7 months 2 weeks ago #31082

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So nice to see other members chiming in and discussing issues. Kudos !!
I think the biggest issue with engines running hot is a perception based on gauge readings which are the direct result of the voltage in the engine temp gas gauge circuit. That circuit runs at around 7 volts and things like a bad ground(s) or a poor voltage regulator for the gauges could be at fault..

Then there is the thermostats and radiators Thermostats don't necessarily "just fail". They can stick and cause all kinds of weird readings. Radiators can get plugged tubes and have cold spots throughout affecting the return coolant temperature.
Ignition timing can also have a major effect on engine running temps. Too advanced timing by more than usually 8 degrees will allow more cylinder wall exposure to the flame front.
Engines running hot are another topic completely.

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