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5 years 2 weeks ago #25351
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The ports are swapped on your second diagram too. On a modern motorcycle, the smaller port, the equalizing port/compensating port/expansion port.... etc., is in front of the piston.
It's not really fluid dynamics like it would be with a hydraulic ram circuit. Unlike a Ram circuit, the cone shaped main seal on a single cylinder master cylinder piston allows pressure to build when it's moved in one direction. When the piston retracts into it's bore, fluid can move around the seal - i.e. from behind, and this is what allows fluid to be replenished in the high pressure side of the circuit (along with the equalizing port).
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scotch wrote: I guess they're all wrong.
Not going to debate whether the "seals and boots" retract the pistons. For the purpose of clarity - The spring in the M/C returns the M/C piston - thereby pulling the caliper pistons away from the disc. when the lever application pressure is nil. Fluid Dynamics !
The ports are swapped on your second diagram too. On a modern motorcycle, the smaller port, the equalizing port/compensating port/expansion port.... etc., is in front of the piston.
It's not really fluid dynamics like it would be with a hydraulic ram circuit. Unlike a Ram circuit, the cone shaped main seal on a single cylinder master cylinder piston allows pressure to build when it's moved in one direction. When the piston retracts into it's bore, fluid can move around the seal - i.e. from behind, and this is what allows fluid to be replenished in the high pressure side of the circuit (along with the equalizing port).
Hello from Canada's We(s)t coast.
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5 years 2 weeks ago - 5 years 2 weeks ago #25353
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....and will leave this topic as it's wandering away from the original.
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....and will leave this topic as it's wandering away from the original.
1980 KZ 1300 sr# KZT30A-009997
Always High - Know Fear !
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5 years 2 weeks ago - 5 years 2 weeks ago #25354
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Hello from Canada's We(s)t coast.
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Like I said: hydraulic brake circuits are not like hydraulic ram circuits. Hydraulic Brake circuits need to accommodate pad/rotor wear, hydraulic rams do not. In a brake circuit 'new' fluid (to accommodate pad/rotor wear) is draw into the circuit when the Master cylinder piston retracts.
This video illustrates the pull back effect of brake piston seals pretty clearly. Watch the entire video to see the importance of making sure the seals are clean for proper retraction or skip to 4:50 to see the piston retraction test.
This video illustrates the pull back effect of brake piston seals pretty clearly. Watch the entire video to see the importance of making sure the seals are clean for proper retraction or skip to 4:50 to see the piston retraction test.
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5 years 2 weeks ago #25358
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Absolutely brilliant! I want to move to NZ!
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