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What would cause cylinder 1 to be dead but 2 - 6 are good?

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Re: What would cause cylinder 1 to be dead but 2 - 6 are good?

21 hours 22 minutes ago - 21 hours 16 minutes ago
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This is a complete waste of my time, but I'm going to do it just to show that AI can't be trusted and as far as I'm concerned can't be trusted for ANYTHING !!

I'll mark up in  red.




dcarver220b post=34764 userid=250     Looks like I'm on my own here..

From Gemini
=16pxA 1980 Kawasaki KZ1300 carburetor has a common float bowl and fuel level. There are two discrete carbuerator circuits inside one carburetor body. One circuit supply fuel-air to cylinder number 1. The other circuit feeds fuel - air to cylinder number 2. What would cause cylinder one to be dead when cylinder two works fine? Cylinder one has good compression, good spark, new spark plug, and spark can be seen when grounding the spark plug to the engine and cranking.        Since cylinder 1 has confirmed spark and compression, the issue is strictly a localized fuel-delivery failure within that specific carburetor circuit.Here are the causes that would make cylinder 1 dead while cylinder 2 runs fine: Blocked Pilot Circuit
  • Clogged Pilot Jet: The tiny orifice for cylinder 1's idle circuit is plugged with varnish or rust.
  • Blocked Passageways: Fuel or air bypass holes near the throttle valve are obstructed.
  • Misadjusted Pilot Screw: The idle mixture screw for cylinder 1 is turned fully in or blocked by debris.
 Mechanical Obstructions
  • Blocked Main Jet: Debris is sitting directly inside or on top of the cylinder 1 main jet.
  • Stuck Float Needle: If this specific model variation uses split internal feeds, one side may be starved.
  • Gemini knew that this carburetor has a common carb bowl for 2 individual carbs that are siamesed togeether and if the float was stuck both #1 and #2 would be dead
  • Seized Throttle Valve: The slide or butterfly valve for cylinder 1 is not opening with the rest of the linkage.
  • The throttle valve is mechanically linked to #2 throttle valve so it's impossible for 1 to not work and #2 to work.
 Air and Vacuum Leaks
  • Cracked Intake Boot: A cracked rubber manifold on cylinder 1 draws in unmetered air, leaning out the mixture completely.
  • Missing Vacuum Cap: A missing or cracked rubber cap on the cylinder 1 vacuum sync port destroys vacuum signals.
  • This would cause #1 to run lean but it would still fire (possibly backfire) but still run.
  • Bad Manifold Gasket: The seal between the intake tract and the cylinder head is leaking.
 Internal Structural Damage
  • Torn Diaphragm: If it is a CV (Constant Velocity) carburetor variant, a torn vacuum diaphragm prevents the slide from lifting.
  • There's one diaphragm that serves both #1 and #2 throttle plungers and even if it was torn, the bike would still run on the idle circuit since the diaphragm only comes into play on the main circuit
  • Cracked Internal Body: A hairline fracture in the aluminum casting routes fuel or vacuum away from the venturi.
  • If this was a new carburetor, it could be possible but not a carburetor that has run in service. It just wouldn't crack.
To help narrow this down, let me know:
  • Is the cylinder 1 spark plug wet with fuel or completely dry after cranking?
  • Does the cylinder fire briefly if you spray starting fluid directly into the intake tract?
  • What is the history of the bike (e.g., did it sit for years, or did this happen suddenly while riding)?
 AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses                                         =16pxCylinder 1 spark plug is dry across all throttle settings. The cylinder does fire if sprayed with starting fluid. Additionally, i have another carbuertor 'rack' that works good..        The dry spark plug and successful firing on starting fluid confirm that zero fuel is reaching cylinder 1, despite the shared float bowl. Since your alternative carburetor rack works perfectly, the engine itself is completely eliminated as the source of the problem.The issue is definitively an isolated physical blockage or mechanical failure inside the current carburetor body. Here is exactly what is causing the lack of fuel delivery: Clogged Internal Passageways
  • Plugged Main Fuel Well: The shared bowl feeds individual vertical towers or wells. The channel feeding the cylinder 1 side of the casting is completely blocked by varnish or debris.
  • Obstructed Jet Passages: Both the pilot jet and main jet orifices for cylinder 1 are entirely sealed by dried fuel residue.
  • Blocked Emulsion Tube: The tiny air-bleed holes along the sides of the cylinder 1 emulsion tube (nozzle) are gummed up, preventing fuel from climbing into the venturi.
  • Blocked emmulsion tubes will cause the main circuit to run rich the higher the rpms are. This would not cause a no fuel issue.
 Mechanical Linkage and Vacuum Failures
  • Disconnected or Stuck Throttle Butterfly: If the throttle shaft is split or a linkage pin is sheared, the butterfly valve for cylinder 1 may be stuck closed while cylinder 2 opens.
  • The butterflies are on a common shaft for #1 and #2, so this reference is garbage.
  • Torn or Unseated CV Diaphragm: A tear in the rubber diaphragm, or a missing needle clip, keeps the cylinder 1 slide bottomed out, blocking all fuel flow at wider throttle openings.
  • Missing needle clip would allow the main throttle needle to sit on the jet which in therory could cause no fuel to the #1 Idle and main circuit. It would be impossible to install the throttle plunger and not see the needle drop out and the clip certainly wouldn't break and fall off. Tear in the diaphragm would cause no main circuit on #1 and #2
 Complete Vacuum Loss
  • Massive Sync Port Leak: A missing vacuum plug or a cracked line on the cylinder 1 sync port drops the vacuum signal to zero, meaning the carburetor cannot "suck" fuel up from the bowl.
  • Even if a vacuum cap blew off and I've seen it happen following a backfire, it would still run, shitty but run.
If you plan to fix this specific carburetor rack, let me know:
  • Do you want a step-by-step cleaning procedure to clear these internal channels?
  • Are you looking for tips on how to safely remove and inspect the internal jets without stripping them?
  • Would you prefer to just swap over the working alternative rack for now?
  • I wouldn't ask AI how to scratch my ass. I don't think AI can be trusted with anthing that needs "Common Sense" in order to figure things out. Common sense is a process that requires thinking and as far as I'm concerned AI can only retrieve information and spit it out.
                                       =16pxPlease provide a step by step cleaning procedure          Preparation and Safety
  1. Workplace: Choose a clean, well-ventilated area.
  2. Safety: Wear eye protection and nitrile gloves. Carburetor cleaner is highly corrosive to skin and eyes.
  3. Tools: Grab a container for soaking, a can of aerosol carburetor cleaner, compressed air, a guitar string (or fine copper wire), and properly fitting JIS or Phillips screwdrivers.
  4. Aerosol Carb Cleaner - Great if you want to give it a bath. Useless if you have Shellac build up and need to dissolve it.
  Step 1: Disassembly
  • Remove the Bowl: Flip the carburetor over and remove the float bowl screws. Lift the bowl off carefully to avoid tearing the gasket.
  • Remove the Float and Needle: Slide out the float hinge pin. Lift the float and the attached fuel inlet needle valve out.
  • Extract the Jets: Locate the separate pilot (idle) jet and main jet inside the central tower for cylinder 1. Use a flathead screwdriver that snugly fits the slots to unscrew and remove them.
  • Remove the Emulsion Tube: If the main jet sits inside an emulsion tube (nozzle), gently tap it out from the venturi side into the bowl area using a soft punch or wooden dowel.
  • WRONG, WRONG, WRONG The emmulsion tubes are removed through the top (tap up from the bowl side AFTER removing the main jets.
  • Remove the Mixture Screw: Back out the pilot mixture screw for cylinder 1. Count the exact number of turns it takes to lightly seat it before removing it so you can replicate the setting later. Remove the screw, its tiny spring, washer, and O-ring.
  Step 2: Mechanical Clearing
  • Inspect the Jets: Hold the pilot and main jets up to a bright light. If cylinder 1 is dry, you will likely see a solid wall of varnish blocking the tiny center holes.
  • Clear the Orifices: Thread a thin guitar string or a single strand of copper wire through the jet holes. Poke through the debris gently. Never use hard steel wire or drill bits, as they will easily enlarge or scratch the precise brass orifices.
  • NEVER clear the jets with any material stronger than brass. Of you do, you'll completely damage the jets. Toothpicks, cotton swabs with AUTOSOL metal polish is as agressive as you could get. NO MECHANICAL CLEANING !!
  • Clear the Emulsion Tube: Use the wire to clean all the tiny air-bleed holes running along the sides of the emulsion tube.
  • I use number drill bits to check / clear the emmulsion tube holes. Use the bits with your fingers only. you're looking at bits around the size of #75 - #80  give or take.
  Step 3: Chemical Soaking and Flushing
  • Soak the Brass: Place all removed brass parts (jets, tube, mixture screw) into a small container filled with carburetor cleaner. Let them soak for 15–30 minutes.
  • Blast the Internal Passageways: Insert the straw of the aerosol carburetor cleaner can directly into the pilot jet hole, main jet hole, and pilot mixture screw hole in the carburetor body. Spray forcefully.
  • Verify Exit Paths: Watch where the cleaner exits. It should spray freely into the main venturi bore through the tiny transition holes near the butterfly valve. If it shoots backward or doesn't exit at all, the internal casting channel is still blocked.
  Step 4: Compressed Air Purge
  • Blow Out Passages: Shoot high-pressure compressed air through every orifice you just sprayed. This forces out loosened chunks of varnish that the chemical solvent dissolved.
  • Sure fire way to completely fuck up a carb if you don't reverse flow / clear passages. AI don't know shit.
  • Dry the Parts: Blow compressed air through the individual jets and emulsion tube to ensure they are entirely clear of liquid and debris.
  Step 5: Reassembly and Verification
  • Inspect Rubber Parts: Ensure the mixture screw O-ring and the float bowl gasket are soft and free of tears. Replace them if they are flattened or brittle.
  • Reinstall Components: Thread the clean jets back into the cylinder 1 tower. Snug them down gently—brass strips easily.
  • Reset the Mixture Screw: Install the spring, washer, and O-ring onto the mixture screw. Screw it in until it lightly seats, then back it out the exact number of turns you counted during disassembly.
  • Reinstall Float and Needle: Drop the needle into its seat, hook it to the float, slide the pin in, and verify the float moves up and down smoothly without binding.
  • Seal the Bowl: Reinstall the float bowl and tighten the screws in a cross pattern.
To ensure a smooth reinstallation, would you like tips on bench-syncing the throttles before putting the rack back on the bike, or do you need help tracking down a rebuild kit for fresh seals?                                                       =16pxtips on bench-syncing the throttles         Bench-syncing ensures that all throttle valves open at the exact same time before you reinstall the carburetor rack. Since a 1980 Kawasaki KZ1300 uses a triple-carburetor setup (three dual-barrel carburetor bodies), synchronization is critical for a smooth idle [1].Here are the best tips to successfully bench-sync your throttles: 1. Identify the Reference Carburetor
  • Find the Master: Look at the throttle linkage to identify which carburetor is directly connected to the throttle cable pull. On the KZ1300, this is usually the center carburetor body (cylinders 3 and 4).
  • The Rules: You cannot adjust the idle height of the master carburetor independently. You will use its butterfly valve opening as the blueprint, adjusting the other two carburetor bodies to match it.
  • BULLSHIT. ALL the carb linkages are independently adjustable on these particular carbs. There is no master.
 2. Choose Your Measuring Gauge
  • The Wire/Paperclip Method: Use a thin, stiff guitar string (0.010 or 0.012 gauge) or a small, smooth paperclip.
  • The Solder Method (Safest): Use a piece of 1mm thick resin-core electrical solder. Solder is soft and will not scratch or nick the delicate brass throttle butterfly valves or aluminum bores if it slips.
 3. Set the Master Gap
  • Back Out the Main Idle Screw: Turn the main idle speed adjustment screw until all throttle butterflies are completely closed.
  • Set the Reference: Turn the main idle screw back in until the butterfly valve of your master carburetor just barely pinches your wire or solder against the bottom of the carburetor bore. There should be a slight drag when you pull the wire out.
 4. Adjust the Remaining Carburetors
  • Locate the Balance Screws: Look between the carburetor bodies on the linkage mechanism to find the spring-loaded synchronization adjustment screws.
  • Match the Drag: Insert your wire or solder into the bore of the carburetor you want to adjust (such as the cylinder 1 and 2 body).
  • Turn the Balance Screw: Rotate the balance screw until you feel the exact same amount of mechanical drag on the wire as you felt on the master carburetor.
  • Repeat: Move to the remaining carburetor body and repeat the process.
 5. Validate the Settings
  • The "Snap" Test: Open the throttle linkage fully by hand and let it snap closed a few times. This settles the springs and linkages.
  • Re-Check: Re-insert your wire gauge into every single bore to verify that the drag is still perfectly uniform across all barrels.
Once the rack is back on the bike, would you like guidance on how to perform the final dynamic vacuum synchronization while the engine is running, or do you need the factory specifications for the idle RPM?      
Setting the carbs up this way is complete garbage. The linkage on these carbs needs to be sync'd with a number of different linkages and the only way to get it right is following Scotch's method. PERIOD !!

BOTTOM LINE- I don't care how smart you think you are on any topic, somewhere down the line you'll find somebody smarter than you. Take everything with a grain of salt and especially in this day and age of AI. AI and the open ability to say anything in a public forum has caused the entire world to be completely untrustworthy. You can't believe anything anymore. Everything you used to be able to trust for a reference can no longer be trusted. The world has gone to HELL.
Last edit: 21 hours 16 minutes ago by Kawboy.
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