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2 years 8 months ago #30229 by Neville
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Although my 79 Z1300 starts well from cold or warm if I use it fairly regularly, it seems to take a good deal of cranking to get it started after a winter lay up (and yes, I have removed the fuel solenoid and have a Pingle fuel  tap).  So, I decided to have a go at fitting Scotch’s choke air mod.  First step is to remove the carbs and separate them.  The M6 screws holding the carbs to the bottom bracket were not going to shift using a conventional approach so I used a clamp arrangement holding my JIS screwdriver and a spanner fitted to the hex shaft to get some turning leverage.  I've used this approach in the past with some success.



3 screws came out OK but the fourth just sheared after about one turn.  **gger.  At this point I decided to leave the screws in place holding the bracket to the centre carb as it’s not necessary to remove them to fit the new choke air jets.



Drilling out steel screws in aluminium castings is always a worry as the aluminium is so much softer and if you don’t drill in the centre of the screw, it rapidly drifts off to one side when you break through the side of the steel screw.  I used a bench drill to try and keep it straight and also centre punched the bolt in as close to the centre as possible.



I’ve found it best to drill out in stages, so for this M6 screw,I started with 2.5mm and then increased in three stages to 5mm, the tapping drill size.



Although the drill was slightly off centre, I was lucky and a couple of turns with an M6 tap released the remains of the screw left in one side of the threads.  A run down to the bottom of the hole with a plug tap cleaned up the thread.Maybe now I can get on with the choke air mod... 

 
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2 years 8 months ago #30230 by biltonjim
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Well done getting the broken screw out! It is a big advantage to have a bench / pillar drill / drill press for such jobs.  I recall Scotch using his to hold a screwdriver bit for removing troublesome screws - similar in principle to your use of screwdriver and clamp.
Keep us informed on your progress and outcome.
 
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2 years 8 months ago #30231 by dcarver220b
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Well done! Now off the mod!

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2 years 8 months ago #30236 by scotch
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Yes:  Good job on that broken bolt.  Creative with the clamp but wonder why you didn't use the drill-press? 
In my post " '79 carb rebuild"  I showed my carbs in a heating box.  Pre-soaking the fasteners overnight with some penetrating oil and then heating and cooling the carbs (expansion/contraction?) - all the fasteners came out.  To what degree (no pun intended) this procedure helped is difficult to say.  Nothing broke, so......  
 

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2 years 7 months ago - 2 years 7 months ago #30337 by Neville
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So after my trials and tribulations splitting the carbs, I finally got round to implementing the choke air mod as recommended by Scotch.  To avoid any drilling or modification that I could not reverse, I went for the screw in Mikuni M6 jets.  Unfortunately, I could not source the 240 sizes recommended so I bought 3 jets B42/55, 40 size and opened them out with a 2.4 mm drill.  I would not do this for fuel jets as it’s probably not accurate enough but in my view, acceptable for air jets this size.

 

 

I dismantled the carbs one at a time and removed the floats, needle valves and jets and turned them over and removed the choke plunger valves, diaphragms and pistons together with the pilot air jets.  I then tapped the choke air inlet hole in the upper body with an M6x1mm tap – as the choke air jet is slightly smaller than the recommended tap drill size, I found it important to make sure that the tap was aligned as carefully as possible with the hole centre - I just about perfected this by the time I got to the third carb – as usual!  I also greased the tap heavily to try and keep any swarf attached to the tap rather than dropping into the choke channels.  This worked to a certain extent but any remaining particles were vacuumed out using a plastic pipe connected to the end of my old vacuum cleaner.  A few sprays of carb cleaner entered via the choke plunger hole helped to ensure that the channels and threads were clear of anything that might end up blocking or damaging the carbs/engine.

 

I then cleaned all of the jets and carb passages with STP Carb Cleaner – this seems to share a number of constituents with cellulose thinners or “lacquer thinners” as sometimes referred to as was very effective in cleaning the channels/jets as well as melting anything plastic including some of my protective gloves.  I also replaced the “O” rings on the pilot jets as the 40+ year old originals had gone very hard and were probably leaking. (original “O” ring on left, new one on right)

 

I fitted the new air jets in place with a dab of thread lock as I did not want to over tighten and also did not want them falling out.

 

I rebuilt the carbs, checking float heights and fitting new float bowl gaskets and I also replaced the fuel feed joints with some brass aftermarket units that also feature separate “O” rings rather than the originals which seem to have integrated seals.  Re-fitting the carbs to the mounting plate whilst connecting the throttle plate link rods is a bit finicky but persistence pays.  Also important to ensure that all carbs sit square relative to their axes to ensure a good joint to the inlet stubs without any leaks due to misalignment.  I was a little confused initially by the instructions in the workshop manual to bottom the link rod adjusting screws as I thought this would just fully compress the internal link rod springs.  However, the internal rods have a recess that allows room for the spring to compress without completely flattening them.  I then backed out each 1.5 turns as recommended.  I found the best way to match throttle openings between each carb was to use the “wire method” – turning in the idle adjusting screw near to its maximum to open the throttle plates slightly and then using a thin wire to check the clearance between the throttle plates and carb apertures until they were matched as closely as possible – I only had to turn the adjusting screws by about +/- quarter turn to reach an acceptable match.

 

I measured the height of the idle adjusting screw above the carb body before dismantling and did my best to set this to the same value.  I also set the pilot air jets with new much rounder “O” rings to 3.5 turns out.  I also set the fast idle clearance as recommended in the manual and then re-fitted the carbs to the bike – using some vaseline on the airbox rubbers which seems to help enormously in getting them to engage correctly.

 

So, the result.  After connecting the fuel tank to the carbs with a spare hose and enaging about one quarter choke (my usual approach in relatively warm weather), the engine started immediately and ran very smoothly at about 2000 rev/min.  I gradually reduced the choke to zero as the engine warmed up but the engine was still idling at around 1500 rev/min so I backed out the idle screw to achieve a c. 900 rev/min idle speed.  I then switched the engine off and waited for it to cool down so I could fit my vacuum gauges.  I also re-adjusted the fast idle screw to achieve the recommended 0.54-0.55mm clearance to the fast idle cam.However, on restarting again when cold, I really struggled to keep the engine running – too much choke and it seemed to run too rich and stop, too little and the engine idle speed was too low to keep running so I ended up juggling the choke and twist grip throttle to try and keep the engine running.  Once even slightly warm, I could release the choke completely and the engine ran extremely smoothly with instant throttle response.

Using a set of vacuum gauges connected to cylinders 1, 4, 5 and 6, I fine tuned the link rod adjusting screws to achieve best balance – maximum readings on CV motorcycle carbs seem to be limited to about 7.5-8 inches Hg – I’ve found this with a number of bikes, not just the Z1300.  I only had to adjust the screws by about one eighth turn although each adjustment induces a good deal of interaction between carb readings so trial and error seems to be the best approach.

 

I then spent several weeks of trial and error with the fast idle screw, trying to find a new balance between the now much more responsive choke plungers with the fast idle clearance.  Once warmed up, the engine is even better than it has run in the past with very smooth idle and instant throttle response at all engine speeds  (I put this down to the new pilot air jet “O” rings and the cleaning process).  However, I could never find a balance between fast idle speed and choke position and after multiple cold starts, spending too much time juggling choke and throttle, decided to remove the choke air jets.  Having done this and re-set & rebalanced the carbs, all is back to normal with start on first button press and reliable idle speeds, allowing immediate drive away after starting.  I’ve yet to find if my cleaning has improved starting after a long lay up each season (the original reason for fitting the mod) but I think it better to have a reliable regular start during the summer months than a quick start after a winter lay up and fiddly regular starting.  I would be interested in hearing of other experiences with this mod and any changes in starting behaviour.  
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2 years 7 months ago - 2 years 7 months ago #30338 by scotch
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I appreciate the time and effort you put into this article !  

 I then switched the engine off and waited for it to cool down so I could fit my vacuum gauges.  I also re-adjusted the fast idle screw to achieve the recommended 0.54-0.55mm clearance to the fast idle cam.However, on restarting again when cold, I really struggled to keep the engine running – too much choke and it seemed to run too rich and stop, too little and the engine idle speed was too low to keep running so I ended up juggling the choke and twist grip throttle to try and keep the engine running.  Once even slightly warm, I could release the choke completely and the engine ran extremely smoothly with instant throttle response.

 "I also re-adjusted the fast idle screw to achieve the recommended 0.54-0.55mm clearance to the fast idle cam"


 I have come to consider this clearance as arbitrary.  For myself; it's a 'starting point" so the "Idle" RPM is in the ball park for initial starting after carb. disassembly. This helps avoid a 3000RPM start-up and/or enough throttle plate gap to help keep the engine idling while I fine tune . 

And it's interesting to hear  that  in your case the Choke Air mod didn't seem to be of benefit.
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