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10 years 9 months ago #1796
by tackelhappy
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OKANAGAN FALLS. BC ,Canada
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The Cruizinimage big bore kit comes with a head gasket to suit the larger bore size- how do you figure using the original 62mm gasket with 64 mm bore size ?
I just gave the machine shop the engine block with sleeves in their original place and all the piston/ring sets -they knew how to figure it out. When I got it all back, each new piston was numbered and therefore each bore was machined to suit each piston.
I see the seller has just started listing just the ring set for about $64. on ebay
If that had been available when I bought my big bore kit, I would have bought the extra set of rings just in case I break something during installation.
I just gave the machine shop the engine block with sleeves in their original place and all the piston/ring sets -they knew how to figure it out. When I got it all back, each new piston was numbered and therefore each bore was machined to suit each piston.
I see the seller has just started listing just the ring set for about $64. on ebay
If that had been available when I bought my big bore kit, I would have bought the extra set of rings just in case I break something during installation.
" If you can't say what you think, very soon you won't be able to think !
OKANAGAN FALLS. BC ,Canada
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10 years 9 months ago #1802
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1980 KZ1300 B2 Touring/A2
1990 ZZ-R1100 C1
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Like I said, I'm not sure of the usability of the standard Kawasaki head gasket when the barrels are going to be larger.
I do know, from personal experience, that the aftermarket ones do not seal the water jackets at all - I had coolant pouring out from one side of my head gasket! (this turned out to be a blessing in disguise as I discovered I had a bent valve when I took the head off to change the gasket).
I think the theory for using standard gasket is that the valve chambers in the cylinder head are still the same size as the gasket.
I see it that the larger bores will be trying to compress the metal grommets on the gasket (I have no idea what they are called - just checked - they are called "fire rings") around each chamber 1mm away from its edge - and I don't think this is going to be good enough and could lead to reduced compression and hot gasses destroying the mating surfaces over time.
I will probably use the gasket that came with the kit and try to add sealant around the water channels. The Australian, Gert, who takes these out to 1502cc uses a Three Bond sealant and I will look into this.
I am also planning to hand over the complete block and piston kits to the engineering company. I will also give them the Kawasaki specs for clearances on standard rings. If they can't work form this I will just find another company that knows what they are doing.
I do know, from personal experience, that the aftermarket ones do not seal the water jackets at all - I had coolant pouring out from one side of my head gasket! (this turned out to be a blessing in disguise as I discovered I had a bent valve when I took the head off to change the gasket).
I think the theory for using standard gasket is that the valve chambers in the cylinder head are still the same size as the gasket.
I see it that the larger bores will be trying to compress the metal grommets on the gasket (I have no idea what they are called - just checked - they are called "fire rings") around each chamber 1mm away from its edge - and I don't think this is going to be good enough and could lead to reduced compression and hot gasses destroying the mating surfaces over time.
I will probably use the gasket that came with the kit and try to add sealant around the water channels. The Australian, Gert, who takes these out to 1502cc uses a Three Bond sealant and I will look into this.
I am also planning to hand over the complete block and piston kits to the engineering company. I will also give them the Kawasaki specs for clearances on standard rings. If they can't work form this I will just find another company that knows what they are doing.
1980 KZ1300 B2 Touring/A2
1990 ZZ-R1100 C1
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10 years 9 months ago #1803
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1980 KZ1300 B2 Touring/A2
1990 ZZ-R1100 C1
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What do you guys use as a ring compressors?
I did mine by hand last time and managed to bend one of the lower oil scraper rings.
I wondered if I could make some out of coke tins (soda cans) with a large reusable tie-wrap (zip-tie)
The Kawasaki special tool doesn't appear to be available anymore. Others on the market look so large that they would not be suitable for installing our pistons.
I did mine by hand last time and managed to bend one of the lower oil scraper rings.
I wondered if I could make some out of coke tins (soda cans) with a large reusable tie-wrap (zip-tie)
The Kawasaki special tool doesn't appear to be available anymore. Others on the market look so large that they would not be suitable for installing our pistons.
1980 KZ1300 B2 Touring/A2
1990 ZZ-R1100 C1
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10 years 9 months ago #1809
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Why Have Four When You Can Have Six ?
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Zed,
Have a look at my Top End Rebuild post............answers in there !
Pete F
Have a look at my Top End Rebuild post............answers in there !
Pete F
Why Have Four When You Can Have Six ?
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10 years 9 months ago #1811
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1990 ZZ-R1100 C1
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Hi Pete,
Thanks for the reply. I looked through your post and can't find how you compressed the rings.
I've had the top end off a few times so (I think) know what I'm doing. I always try to do two pistons at a time just carefully persuading the rings in with my fingers.
I'm just looking for a better way to compress them without spending a fortune on special tools
Thanks for the reply. I looked through your post and can't find how you compressed the rings.
I've had the top end off a few times so (I think) know what I'm doing. I always try to do two pistons at a time just carefully persuading the rings in with my fingers.
I'm just looking for a better way to compress them without spending a fortune on special tools
1980 KZ1300 B2 Touring/A2
1990 ZZ-R1100 C1
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10 years 9 months ago #1814
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Why Have Four When You Can Have Six ?
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Apologies mate, I was sure I put the tip in that post but it must be in another somehere.
I get the rings in the cylinder liners in exactly the same way you do (with fingers) & have one person each side of the block taking instructions on when to lower it slowly as the rings slip in.
I have also used cuttings from a fruit or veg can just a bit larger than the pistons (about 70mm) with a slit in them so they encapsulate the piston & rings, rather than expensive ring compressors, which dont leave enough room to get in anyway.
Best of luck with the job & interested to hear how yours completes, as just got my own started yesterday after many months work, and it FEELS GOOD !!!!!
Pete F
UK
I get the rings in the cylinder liners in exactly the same way you do (with fingers) & have one person each side of the block taking instructions on when to lower it slowly as the rings slip in.
I have also used cuttings from a fruit or veg can just a bit larger than the pistons (about 70mm) with a slit in them so they encapsulate the piston & rings, rather than expensive ring compressors, which dont leave enough room to get in anyway.
Best of luck with the job & interested to hear how yours completes, as just got my own started yesterday after many months work, and it FEELS GOOD !!!!!
Pete F
UK
Why Have Four When You Can Have Six ?
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