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3 weeks 20 hours ago #33064 by Whiskey1300
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Hi guys,

I have a new issue to start trouble shooting. I’ve put 400 miles on the old girl over the last 2 days. Shes been running beautifully. Today was a different story. During acceleration, I noticed the bike would start bogging down during acceleration around 4000-5000rpms and during more spirited twists on the throttle. I felt like a fuel delivery issue. I rebuilt the carbs about 8 months ago and have had no issues until today. I haven’t begun the trouble shooting process yet. But I plan on checking the tank ventilation, fuel lines for pinches/cracks, filters, blockages in the petcock etc. 

Just curious if there are any other things to look into before I take a gander at more invasive potential fixes?

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Whiskey-1300
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3 weeks 17 hours ago - 3 weeks 17 hours ago #33065 by Kawboy
Replied by Kawboy on topic Bogging during acceleration
I've learned over the years to start with the KISS principal. Kiss - Keep It Simple Stupid. How many times have I gone looking for trouble and suspected something worse than what I found? Don't ask. It's just the way my mind works and it's been to my detriment many times. I've wasted more time looking for trouble when it's been  something as stupid as for example, a $2 fuel filter.

It seems like the bike may be running lean under moderate load? Sounds like a fuel delivery problem. It's been running fine for the last 4-5 months? What could have changed?  First thing that comes to mind that would affect lean mixtures at moderate load would be fuel flow. With that in mind, there's the inline fuel filter and then there's the "other" more forgotten fuel filter or maybe better called fuel strainer on the inlet pipe of the fuel valve. It's primary function is to minimize debris from getting stuck in the fuel shut off valve.

So, a little math here - Most internal combustion engines burn about 1/2 pound of fuel per horse power per hour. 
At maximum power, the KZ1300 is reported to produce 120 Hp
120Hp x 1/2 pound per hour  = 60 pounds of fuel per hour
60 pounds of fuel per hour / 60 minutes = 1 lb of fuel /minute
Gasoline weighs 6 lbs per gallon therefore the fuel flow required to meet the demand of 120 HP would be 1 gallon per minute/ 6= 1/6 gallons per minute
1 US gallon is 128 ounces x 1/6 gallons per minute = 21 ounces per minute
21 ounces per minute / 2 = 10.5 ounces per 30 seconds
Bottom line after all that calculating, if you were to pull off the fuel line feeding the carbs and measure the fuel flowing out of the fuel line, you should be able to measure 10.5 ounces or better in  30 seconds. That would be the engineered design of the fuel system to support the KZ1300 operating at 120 horse power.

That's the math !!


Wouldn't it have been nice if one of the Kawasaki geniuses put that fuel flow rate in the trouble shooting guide as a simple check to verify the fuel flow coming from the tank???? It took me 4 minutes to work it out but I doubt anyone operating / maintaining one of these bikes would even know where to begin or what to expect / measure if they even did a fuel flow check.
Last edit: 3 weeks 17 hours ago by Kawboy.
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3 weeks 11 hours ago #33068 by BigSix
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Following Kawboy and the KISS principle, my guess is the fuel line. If you operate a fuel-filter I guess that is the first item on the list to look at.
Is the fuel-line alligned in a way that will avoid bubbles to be trapped in a top position and block fuel-flow ?

Since yours does not have the  DFI I'd rather bet on the fuel-line.
Holger

Z1300 A1/ KZT30AG built 1979
frame KZT30A 004285
engine KZT30A 000288
location: borderland-triangle France/ Germany/ Switzerland, Europe
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